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Shade nerf?; Obliteration
Topic Started: August 31, 2014, 7:50 am (1,431 Views)
Crime aka Sync

So i know everyone has noticed it that Shades can just spamm Obliteration while using Soul Orbs, and it gets srsly out of hand in PvP, its to easy to spamm it and kill someone and its completely OP and unfair in PvP against any class whatsoever with the same Gear/LVLS.

I'd suggest a CD on that spell so PvP will be more fun, Im a EU player and playing on this server(not the only one) and its almost impossible to run away from the spell intime before you die. Only option is to perk full Speed and i think just because we're from the EU we shouldnt have to use speed perks just to PvP normally.

I know people will see this as a QQ thread/Suggestion, it might be a 20% QQ from me aswell, but im not the only one complaining about this, i see it everyday and it takes the fun away from PvPing against a Shade.

~~Wicked Sync
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Mind

I have fought people with the same gear and higher as a shade/illu. It really isn't as op as you think. Shades can easily be taken down in pvp or they will have to stair hop to survive. If your a Melee voc with the same gear as a Shade with the same amount of perks. The Melee voc will not die. Also the Obliteration spell takes 50 soul. That's a huge chunk out of the shades soul. Meaning he can only use it so often even with soul orbs. That gives you plenty of time to take him down or run away when hes using orbs. This is all if the gear and perks are equal. That spell is literally all they have in pvp. If its gone they cant pvp. ALso there is plent of counter spells that people have that completely block out obliteration. Psi shield and the Priest Immune spell completely make obliteration worthless and wastes our soul.

In all Same set vs Same set and Perks the same or not overly more than each other. The shade will have to stair hop or if in open will probably die.
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Crime aka Sync

I know the Obli spell takes 50 soul, but with a amount of 250 soul thats 5x Obli, and everyone uses scripts such as "auto 100 if [$soul <= 50] useitem xxxx", i tried to survive it as a melee multiple time, w/o stair jumping and its just not surviveable. the soul you get back realy fast with a seriously simple script. And also, shade has enough spells to pvp with, i agree ofc its not as powerfull as Obli, it might even need a small correction in the DMG output for PvP IF Obli gets a nerf of some kind. I mean comeon, Impact shot got nerfed, it did a huge amount of dmg, and it has gotten a 10sec CD(not that that was the only reason it was nerfed). I get ur points and you're a Shade also, im not here to ruin ur class/PvP im just tryign t find some kind of sollution.
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Joker

Actually you can't spam obliteration and use soul orbs at the sd
Time you have to wait until it's finished. And shade is supposed to do a lot of damage they are squishy. What's op is zeal/barb as the melee weps have more attack and 200%attack but still not complaining because I can do it also but choose not to.
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Stevie

Like Joker stated you cant use soul orbs while casting oblit, that was fixed a long time ago. However if someone is perking into soul and using wisdom gems they will be able to spam oblit a lot more than just 5 times, but that takes perk points. Why dont you just perk into healing/armor if your having issues. On another note if you cant outrun the oblits then i dont know what to tell you, the only spots Oblits is uber is if you stand directly next to them. Try standing diagonal it doesnt do as much dmg. Oblit is fine the way it is and doesnt need a nerf. Impact shot didn't get nerf'd in dmg it got nerfed in terms of the knockback which was the OP part not the dmg it does. Those are all the spells that got effected with the 10 sec CD were the ones that knockback or lightning rush for Zealots.
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Crime aka Sync

Just to clear this out of the way, it takes 2/3 secs to refill my 200 soul from 10 to 200, so yes Obli spamm is possible, it may not work when u do obli+soul orbs at the same time but hey, 1 sec to refill almost 80+ soul << proves my point.

And again, just because people are from the EU, doesnt mean they HAVE to get perks they dont want, todo some steady PvP, im not saying i whana own everyone, but a fair chance would be nice. I dont know if there is ever gonna come a sollution for EU players to play fair in PvP, i mean i move 3sqm at a time sometimes, and i got 120mb/s up/down net.

And as for Joker, I asked myself the same question, i still dont know why Melee weapons have more attack then Ranged, I'd like to know that aswell. but i do still think a 5sec CD would be nice on it.

Tobad im the only one defending it atm, ive had so meny people crying about it and they never ever care to check the forum and explain why they think that its unfair.
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Mind

I'm a Shade/Illu Sync and i don't refill my soul to 80+ in 1 sec :/.....Even with full perks in wisdom and full wisdom gems :/. Most of the shades damage in Obli is if you stand next to them or above them. If you run away you are pretty much taking off half the damage. If you use impact shot on them or a knockback you also take off damage from it and make them waste soul. Where Shades can get you in pvp is if you allow them to stand directly next to you the whole time for all 5 Obli's. That's where they can get you, Due to the fact they are slowly getting past your regen everytime. Ive had it where i was fighting melee vocs and i kept getting past thier regen a little bit at a time but near the end of my soul or when i ran out they could just get right back up cause i couldnt use obli as much as before. Also in PvP think smarter.... If you have a zeal or a priest... Don't use your psi shield or Immune till they use almost all thier obli's worth... Then you can heal back up and start racking up the damage on them cause they are squishy. There's so many ways to win in pvp setting that you don't think of apparently.. If you are same gear and your perks almost balance with eachother then its a fair fight depending on how you play your characters strengths out... I'm sure many will agree on this.
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Joker

Plus like mind said you running from obliteration takes damage off. Now if you stand there in it that's your own fault. And me being a shade I use shadow bolt way more then oblit in PvP even if they are trapped because it's .5sec exhaust.
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Crime aka Sync

Thats just the thing, it isnt easy to run away from someone spamming obli on me, sicne im from the EU, and w/e Net you have or w/e PC you have, it wnot make any diffrence, you just run to slow, and ofc if theres a stairs i can stair hop, but thats just not always the case.

PS: for the info im a Zealot/Barb
Edited by Crime aka Sync, August 31, 2014, 1:29 pm.
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Mind

Are you basing it off how you run or how everyone runs? I've seen people take off fast.... You don't run slow on here... IF "you" run slow its not the games fault to make it easier for you... Get a better computer lol... You actually run pretty fast on here. And like i said USE YOUR SPELLS! I know that you are a Zeal/barb.. MEANING you have psi shield to use at the last second to regen your hp! As well as Lightning rush to get out of the obli! Like we said don't just stand there the whole time.... Power the shade down wait till his soul is used up. Pretty much telling you. Think smarter.

If you are a Zeal/barb in a fight with a Shade/anything. You should not die if the sets are even and IF your perks are balanced... If he has 50 perks and you have 50 perks but you perk into loot or something not really needed and the shade does like 25 in power and 25 in critc you might possibly lose especially if you stand right by him the whole time. Spaming Obli is only good if the target stands in 1 spot constantly and never uses thier spells.
Edited by Mind, August 31, 2014, 1:35 pm.
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