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i know everyones gonna hate me; op t2-3 dung
Topic Started: August 27, 2014, 4:40 pm (2,077 Views)
brennon

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the last 2 weeks ive been watching this one perticular char bot the polara dung , just to rack up on lock boxes - premium and high level ones at that . this image u see above is pretty much done 3 to 4 times daily . also ive been told hes making 3 to 4 t7 sets daily =/ which in my eyes is bullshit . when this was implemented just for something to help with the nerf of the key bot . i botted keys yes. but i didnt get a t7 set daily , it took alot longer than that . js this needs to be looked at

maybe add a 10 token per char daily max . just need an explanation

and now everyone hates me =(

oh and above in the pic is

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just looks very op to me =P
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Jarx

going by
0 t1 for ammo
1 t1 per gem ( they are worth about that gp on avg)
1 t1 per t1 cus why not
3 t1 per t2
9 t1 per t3
9 t1 / 3 t3 per map (6 t3 maps from 15 possible, i get like exclusively only t3 maps)
3 t1 per lottery ticket
it gives
(9*0)+(5*1)+(12*1)+(12*3)+(12*9)+(6*9)+(1*3) = 218
218/57 = 3,824
3,824 * 20 = ~76,5 whic is about 20-25% higher than urs warwick, and about 115 lockboxes for a t7 set
i can run that dungeon atleast 10 times per hour, which would net me at 1 t7 set per 6 hours, or one each 12 hours with 0 lockpicks
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Warwick

Jarx
August 27, 2014, 5:27 pm
going by
0 t1 for ammo
1 t1 per gem ( they are worth about that gp on avg)
1 t1 per t1 cus why not
3 t1 per t2
9 t1 per t3
9 t1 / 3 t3 per map (6 t3 maps from 15 possible, i get like exclusively only t3 maps)
3 t1 per lottery ticket
it gives
(9*0)+(5*1)+(12*1)+(12*3)+(12*9)+(6*9)+(1*3) = 218
218/57 = 3,824
3,824 * 20 = ~76,5 whic is about 20-25% higher than urs warwick, and about 115 lockboxes for a t7 set
i can run that dungeon atleast 10 times per hour, which would net me at 1 t7 set per 6 hours, or one each 12 hours with 0 lockpicks
forgot about maps :D

But still, 115 lockboxes for a t7 set.... even if you can do 20k dungeon in under 6minutes
Edited by Warwick, August 27, 2014, 5:34 pm.
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Jarx

but the caluculations are kinda flawed because the chance isnt equal etc yada yada
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tjay09

Me and mind both did this. My net just sucks and cant stay on longer then a day ina week lol. Like me and him both were buying tokens for 2 per t4 equi or 1 per t4 weapon. Then you got to think you need picks as well. just 20$ in rp or 2000 points only gives you 86 almost enough for 87 picks. Yes They dont always break. but for the lvl 9s ive open they break just about everytime. Your just jelly you didnt think of it first haha. Jk.
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Marethyu

I disagree with the fact that there should be a limit, the dungeons were given to compete with keys, to the people who actually put effort in getting boss tokens and lockpicks and running the dungeon manually this would be quite unfair to limit it. Can be easily solved by putting a questionaire or just a teleport to the "follow the light room" upon entering or leavin the dungeon :).
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brennon

Marethyu
August 27, 2014, 6:02 pm
I disagree with the fact that there should be a limit, the dungeons were given to compete with keys, to the people who actually put effort in getting boss tokens and lockpicks and running the dungeon manually this would be quite unfair to limit it. Can be easily solved by putting a questionaire or just a teleport to the "follow the light room" upon entering or leavin the dungeon :).
i like this idea aswell
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Mind

Lol okay please let me elaborate for you what i actually do.... I do not make 3-4 t7 sets daily. I don't even make 1 daily.... I do not bot the dung... Whoever tells you this stuff has never asked me how i do anything. Let me tell you exactly what i do.

First off...
I perk all "80+10" of my perks into Critc,Atk,Power and Armor.... I am one of the top Dps Classes as a shade/illu and in full t8 gear with t9u armor and t9 axe.
I then Gem myself with 10 intels on weps, 10 luck gems,10 wisdoms.
I carry all those gems on me so i don't have to go back.
I Journey myself to the dung.
I start the dung by manually running through the dung and obliteration pretty much everything in there so i can make my way past.
I do not stop for orbs
I run through the dung in about 4-5 minutes with killing the boss because ive done this so much ive learned the tricks to get through it fast atleast to the boss part.
I then Repeat this manaully for a hour to 2 hours before i take a break.
I then come back and do it for about another 2 hours or so.

And the result of 4 hours or more of manually running it exactly at 4 minutes for effiecieny is the result you see in my house at the moment. This is where it gets all flustered and people don't understand

There is about 40 boxes opened in there and 40 locked. Means i need to have 40 lock picks on hand or have rp to buy lock picks in order to open the boxes. 40 lock picks is about 9 rp. So to take me to open 40 of my lock boxes i got from dung costs me about 270k in lock picks if rp is bought at 30k each. And if your saying u can just wait for a sale tell me how often a sale comes and then your profit is all mixed up for the time being.

After opening all the boxes if i had lock picks right from the start. I would spend about 30 minutes doing the lottos. This is a big factor in your profits. If you get sucky lottos witch most people do it ruins your profits alot. Whatever i get from lottos if i can sell it good and fast I do for cash or rp. I do this to prepare for the next time i need to open boxes.

Next in loot i only get up to t2's so i have random t1's and t2's. In all that if i merge it it is around 2 t5's of each item or so. Remeber thats 4 hours of manual + 30 minutes of lottos + 30 minutes to merge items.

So at about 5 hours of working on dungs I sort boxes. Sense there is so many it takes me about a hour. Normally i have a friend do it for me. Boxes are sorted theres about 30 of each gem or so witch equals like 35k or something.

So 6 hours into dungs, I then with sincere passion take the time to do my god awful maps witch are all t1-t2. If u ever have done maps you know the feeling when u get like 100+
With those i make about 2 t5's of each as well. and this takes about a hour as well.

So there all my loot is sorted after 7 hours of working on it. *Not always consecutive hours spent" I have used about 40-50 boss tokens. You may be adding the loot up right now and being like well thats only 1 t6 and 1 t5 of each item. And it is. Where i get the term a accumulative of a t7 set is if instead of the money i made from lotto and spent on more rp/lock picks for next dungs and didnt change my weps and left them at t3. Then changing those weps into armor pieces and sell all my gems for money as well. I could certainly make a t7 set. This is also ofcourse after i sell every item from lotto for just money... and we all know how the economy is with selling things.

If i did that yes i would have a t7 set probably. If good lottos and stuff like that. But then what.... i have nothing to fall back on. I dont have rp for more picks i dont have money for boss tokens or rp. It grid locks me if i don't set myself a balance.

Heres some things i did not mention that also make you need to have a good dung life.:
1. Good customers. People who might sell you boss tokens if u don't bot them or if u have to fight other botters for them.
2. A strong character to run it efficiently.
3. A Will. Not many people have the patience for dungs. Trust me they've told me.

There is so many factors that come into play that not everyone notices. Everyone can see success and be like look what they have accomplished and maybe even make it look easy. But that's just the surface.

Now i would like to agree in confirmation about Jarx's thoughts on it. He believes that as we get to higher level dungs meaning t3 dungs like fisco. That this can be a problem. Due to the fact that with t3 loot and t3 maps it can significantly outweigh keys on a big scale especially at the rate a level 20k can do them. I believe as most might that the higher level dungs meaning t3+ should be limited. To ensure T3 keys still have the top standing sense they are donation that is.

Edited ~ I also wouldn't mind there being something at the end to ensure they can't be botable. That's a great idea and quick fix to stop any expansion of botting them
Edited by Mind, August 27, 2014, 6:19 pm.
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Jarx

you can do lottos more efficiently by having an alt just sit there doing them and picking up the loot
you can smash more efficiently aka <30 seconds by having a script
you can have a shitty char running maps 24/7 while u do dungeons removing that time aswell (only need to check for anti bot room)

im talking about where people do the t3+ dungeons efficiently and smart, its going to get broken fast
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Mind

Agreed at t3 it will get broken. And I not skilled enough to set up all that shit and run dungs at same time. + If they put a anti botting system on dungs you will only see these results by manual players that do it as much as i do in dung time and have the patience to do the dung that much manually. Agreed though the alts could take off time. I also want to add when i did maps i did them with full luck gems and prosp perks

Also the smashing i would have to have all the dung loot t1-t2 items sorted and all bps of loot open for it to smash all so it would still take time.
Edited by Mind, August 27, 2014, 6:35 pm.
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Jarx

auto sorter into bps, auto smashing, boom done the second you open a new lockbox
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