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Map/Key bosses
Topic Started: July 20, 2014, 6:09 am (2,202 Views)
Warwick

Now the anti-bot system is in place, is it really necessary for the orbs to scatter all over the place?
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Tretox

Warwick
July 21, 2014, 6:59 am
I have to agree with stevie, keys have become a monotonous grind and a chore. The single most important thing for progression in the game and thats the only way to describe it.

By making things hard/impossible to bot, you have removed the appeal to manual them, there needs to be a happy medium.
It would be better if we could do those keys faster, like remove the extra cooldown shit from keys when you use multible keys. That would make it alot better...
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Warwick

Tretox
July 21, 2014, 8:29 am
Warwick
July 21, 2014, 6:59 am
I have to agree with stevie, keys have become a monotonous grind and a chore. The single most important thing for progression in the game and thats the only way to describe it.

By making things hard/impossible to bot, you have removed the appeal to manual them, there needs to be a happy medium.
It would be better if we could do those keys faster, like remove the extra cooldown shit from keys when you use multible keys. That would make it alot better...
Its not about making the keys better or getting a bigger advantage from them, I disagree with that since they are imbalanced enough as it is.

The point I was making is that all the anti-bot measures aren't necessary, the projectile rooms stop bots, why does the loot still need to scatter all over the place.
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Xagul
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Keys are a chore because people choose to do them as such. If you obtain 50 keys and do them 1 by 1, you are basically choosing to do bosses non stop. You have the option of taking 2x the cooldown for 5x the speed of clearing the keys, yet people refuse to take any sacrifice of any sort. If you want to do 50 bosses every hour, then that is what you choose to do, it is YOUR CHOICE. If you don't want to sit and do keys for 10 hours straight, then do 5 at a time and get them done and out of the way and go back to doing other things.

You guys are trying to guilt trip me into making it easier for you to do keys by trying to imply that the negative effects of these changes have any impact on the casual player but in truth most "casual" players do not have bps of keys like most of you who are complaining do. Some people have a few keys and they absolutely love them because it gives them so much. You guys complaining went to the extreme of taking an advantage and turning it into a core way to play the server, and while yes you can do keys 24/7 and do nothing else on the server but those keys, it will be boring, but guess what... the amount of gear you are getting by doing that boring/tedious task dwarfs what non donating players are even dreaming of obtaining, the only difference is for those "casual" players to upgrade their tier set, they need around 200 tier 1 items, and you guys running around in t9 need over 10,000 tier 1 items. You are so far ahead of the curve and you still want more. It really is a picture perfect example of the gaming community nowadays... always wanting more where more will never be enough.
Edited by Xagul, July 21, 2014, 4:12 pm.
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Infurios

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July 21, 2014, 4:10 pm
Keys are a chore because people choose to do them as such. If you obtain 50 keys and do them 1 by 1, you are basically choosing to do bosses non stop. You have the option of taking 2x the cooldown for 5x the speed of clearing the keys, yet people refuse to take any sacrifice of any sort. If you want to do 50 bosses every hour, then that is what you choose to do, it is YOUR CHOICE. If you don't want to sit and do keys for 10 hours straight, then do 5 at a time and get them done and out of the way and go back to doing other things.

You guys are trying to guilt trip me into making it easier for you to do keys by trying to imply that the negative effects of these changes have any impact on the casual player but in truth most "casual" players do not have bps of keys like most of you who are complaining do. Some people have a few keys and they absolutely love them because it gives them so much. You guys complaining went to the extreme of taking an advantage and turning it into a core way to play the server, and while yes you can do keys 24/7 and do nothing else on the server but those keys, it will be boring, but guess what... the amount of gear you are getting by doing that boring/tedious task dwarfs what non donating players are even dreaming of obtaining, the only difference is for those "casual" players to upgrade their tier set, they need around 200 tier 1 items, and you guys running around in t9 need over 10,000 tier 1 items. You are so far ahead of the curve and you still want more. It really is a picture perfect example of the gaming community nowadays... always wanting more where more will never be enough.
Actaully your very wrong IM ALREADY forced to do fucking 5 keys at a time cause cant bot them and i only get like a 1 MAYBE 2 hours to play a day how far behind you think this leaves everyone else who has school/work etc. Your just not understanding how annyoing it is when your SO fuckign far behind and doing bosses beccomes a PAIN in the fucking ass cause i litteraly gotta run around the WHOLE fuckign map to collect my shit after killing them... its jus a complete turn off i know people who payed 100$'s for there keys now they dont even play/use them because of this dumb shit im not asking for shit to be botable im jus asking for shit to be not such a pain in the fucking ass

also on the other hand i know MANY NON-DONORS who have MORE KEYS then some donors... soo throw that donor/non-donor shit outta here
Edited by Infurios, July 21, 2014, 4:58 pm.
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Warwick

You say do the keys 5 at once to save time so they aren't so time consuming but that only works if you can either kill the boss in <5 seconds or if you can kill them 5 at a time. Most people can do neither.

If you put this to a vote like the perk change what do you think the outcome would be?
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Stevie

Xagul
July 21, 2014, 4:10 pm
Keys are a chore because people choose to do them as such. If you obtain 50 keys and do them 1 by 1, you are basically choosing to do bosses non stop. You have the option of taking 2x the cooldown for 5x the speed of clearing the keys, yet people refuse to take any sacrifice of any sort. If you want to do 50 bosses every hour, then that is what you choose to do, it is YOUR CHOICE. If you don't want to sit and do keys for 10 hours straight, then do 5 at a time and get them done and out of the way and go back to doing other things.

You guys are trying to guilt trip me into making it easier for you to do keys by trying to imply that the negative effects of these changes have any impact on the casual player but in truth most "casual" players do not have bps of keys like most of you who are complaining do. Some people have a few keys and they absolutely love them because it gives them so much. You guys complaining went to the extreme of taking an advantage and turning it into a core way to play the server, and while yes you can do keys 24/7 and do nothing else on the server but those keys, it will be boring, but guess what... the amount of gear you are getting by doing that boring/tedious task dwarfs what non donating players are even dreaming of obtaining, the only difference is for those "casual" players to upgrade their tier set, they need around 200 tier 1 items, and you guys running around in t9 need over 10,000 tier 1 items. You are so far ahead of the curve and you still want more. It really is a picture perfect example of the gaming community nowadays... always wanting more where more will never be enough.
I believe this post was created to ask the simple question "can the loot inside keys/boss maps be changed back to the way it was, since the botting safeguards are in place". The post wasn't created to cause turmoil and arguments nor to ask for cooldowns to be removed/keys to be bot-able, just simply to consolidate the loot the way it once was.
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Ganked

Xagul
July 20, 2014, 5:16 pm
Bajwa
July 20, 2014, 2:48 pm
Honestly this shit made me quit im not gonna sit there doing 50 keys at a time THEN ALSO RUNNING AROUND THE WHOLE FUCKIGN ROOM TO GET MY LOOT.... this is the most annoying shit in the world but ohwell when he sees people jus stop playing cause of all this dumbshit then maybe he will change something
By having that many keys you already have an infinite advantage over anyone who does not have keys, and you are going to complain about having to walk around and pick up free items? If I sat in temple for 20 hours just dropping tier 3 items randomly every single person on the server would be running around trying to grab them all from each other. But as soon as you have to attack a monster 3 times before it happens it's outrageous. Get real, if you did quit, it's not because you have to run around and pick up items... you quit because you cant afk bot the keys in general. Which sucks maybe I know, but it was getting out of control and I think you all know that in the back on your mind.
Well your wrong, I have 1 key total and I'm even sick of running around collecting orbs...
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Beil.

I don't want keys to be bottable again, that will just help the rest try to catch up and send me even FARTHER away from them than I already am because of the amount of Keys I have acquired since the change.

I don't want the double CD removed, I dont even want the anti bot system removed. All I want is for the loot to not be all over the map, like someone earlier said, by the time I have killed the boss, collected the loot, and left the room, I still have a battle sign so I can't go directly into a key because I'm still in combat.

All I want is for the loot to go back to being in that consolidated area around where the boss dies, that way all I have to do is turn a few times, grab my shit, run out the room, do the anti bot room, then wait on battle sign to dissappear and go to another key.
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Jarx

Keybots just meant the more keys you had the more ahead you got, and it was pretty much those in the top of the server just getting an increasingly large lead. Now there's atleast kind of a softcap on how much you can do keys, based on how long you stay awake, how much you actually can be arsed to do them 1 by 1 etc, but then again, those with the most keys will still be the ones getting further ahead, just at a slower speed now.
You can still get the same efficiency as keybotting before by manualling now, you just need 3+ people to do the keys together with and then pass them aroudn.
No solution for this will be balanced for everyone IMO.
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Hiken No Sabo
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Keys ruined Deathzot. R.I.P
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